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beginner board / sail size

Postby qwertyjjj » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:41 pm

I've windsurfed a few times and sailed when I was younger.
I found a 2nd hand board recently which is 138litres.
A local guy said 170 litres would be better as it will be difficult to plane on the 138 unless it is 20knots.
So, I'm a little worried the board might be too small for me?
Guy in a local shop also recommended a sail size of 7.5m for the area in Montreal as wind is often only 10-20knots.

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Re: beginner board / sail size

Postby Jonathan » Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:02 pm

How much do you weigh and what are you local conditions? Also, how old is this board? I wouldn't go with anything pre-2000's.

Board volume size is going to be important, but what is just as important is the width of the board. My first board was a 200L+ board from the 1980s, what a piece of crap. The volume was right, but it was so thin and difficult to balance, I almost gave up on the sport. I then picked up a 165L Starboard go which was very wide (90cm) and sailing was SO MUCH EASIER! In no time I got really good at tacking, and started getting comfortable in the harness. By the end of the summer I was planing in the harness and the front strap (sometimes the back one).

My first sail was a 6.2. Nothing wrong with the 7.5 you're looking at, but if the wind gets close to 20kts you'll be overpowered. Like you, I was also pressured by my local sail shop to get a big sail to start with... I find they do that a lot as they want to move those sail sizes. They recommended at 8.5 cambered sail. Looking back now I see they were just trying to move a sail, not beginner friendly at all.

I can tell you I can get planing on a 6.7m sail and 125L board in just over 15kts. Anything less than 15kts you're not going to be planing unless you're running a forumla board/light wind board with a massive sail! I'm currently looking for an 8-9m sail for light wind days on my 165L to get planing, but that's not for a beginner.

If you are athletic, have good balance and coordination then my ideal starting package would be WIDE 150L+ with a sail in the 6m-7m or so. Depends on your weight though. I'm about 170lbs.

DO NOT TAKE ADVICE FROM THE SHOPS. At the end of the day they aren't looking out for what's best for you. They just want to move their gear. Post here and on iwindsurf.com. When you go to the shop know exactly what you want and buy it, don't let them sway you.
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Re: beginner board / sail size

Postby Jonathan » Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:15 pm

Look at this but beware! - http://www.kijiji.ca/v-water-sport/mark ... nFlag=true

It says "Ideal for beginner", but that is a beginner's trap. Look at that old equipment and super thin board. Very tippy and difficult to learn on! Maybe ideal for beginners in the late 80's or early 90's, but not now! You get the same guys trying to unload those boards as SUP's.
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Re: beginner board / sail size

Postby qwertyjjj » Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:42 pm

I'm 85kg and 6ft tall.
Board I have is a 2004 Hifly Madd 138litre, about 72cm wide.
Was thinking of getting a Sailworks retro 8.0. Most of the time the lake I want to be on is only 26kmph, eg later in the week will be
15kmph with gusts of 32, another day 19kmph gusts of 44, 21kmph gusts 30.
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Re: beginner board / sail size

Postby waterman2012 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:52 am

Totally agree with Jonathon. I started again as an adult on a second hand 130 ltr Seatrend. Very tippy and narrow for practicing new skills. Currently practicing on a 170 Starboard Go and my skills are progressing at a muuuch quicker rate. Lot of good people on this forum as well who can help you out regarding finding gear etc. I've met some real cool people who helped immensely with tips, advice and even some free gear. Love this site!! :)

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Re: beginner board / sail size

Postby qwertyjjj » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:58 am

The HyFly Madd seems quite wide, I can at least try it (no daggerboard to help stability but it has 2 fins).
I'm just wondering if an 8 sail is going to be too big for me.
I seem to have the choice between a North e type 7.2m and a sailworks retro 8.0 both camless.
As there's not much wind, maybe the 8?

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Re: beginner board / sail size

Postby waterman2012 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:50 pm

You and I are about the same size. I am currently looking for a 7.5 sail and generally sail in 10 - 20 knots. So I would tend to agree with the local you mentioned. Looking for more power as I still need to practice a lot of things in lighter wind but am getting bored schlogging along with the 5.0 I have.

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Re: beginner board / sail size

Postby qwertyjjj » Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:11 pm

I could get a North e type 7.3 with a 460 mast (60% RDM) and extension or I could get a 8.0 sailworks with 490 mast and small extension (75% carbon SDM)
Just wondering if the extra sail plus mast is going to be too much for me or if it's manageable...

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Re: beginner board / sail size

Postby drewb70 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:25 pm

I've owned 9.5 camed sail and 8.2 non cambered sail and 7.0 non cambered. I sold my 9.5 as it was just too big, but the 8.2 is very managegable.

I've taught people to Windsurf on my sons 145 kids starboard its very wide and as long as stability isn't a huge issue don't bother with a bigger board.

A bigger sail is a must in most of Ontario and Quebec. At least 7 but not bigger than 8.5 and absolutely not a cammed sail and no bigger than a 490 mast. Try to get a higher carbon mast and light sail so that uphauling will not kill you.

There are lots of used stuff around. But I'd stay away from anything older than 8 yrs.

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Re: beginner board / sail size

Postby drewb70 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:27 pm

Sailworks are great sails. I'd go for the 8.0. You will manage it just fine.

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Re: beginner board / sail size

Postby qwertyjjj » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:40 pm

Luff the retro 8.0 is 498 but the Sailworks mast is 490 so I need a 12cm extension?

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Re: beginner board / sail size

Postby fathom » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:43 pm

I rig my Retro 8.0 on 460 extension (which is what is recommended for lightweight sailors). Disadvantage for your size is less low end but it would be very easy to handle in the gusts as the sail really open up in the gust on a softer mast.

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Re: beginner board / sail size

Postby qwertyjjj » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:50 pm

So I need 460 + min38cm (prob 48) extension ?
The 490 + 12 might be cheaper but difficult to rig smaller sails on it in future?
Also thinking of going for euro pins but there seems to be more used US bases around...

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Re: beginner board / sail size

Postby fathom » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:09 pm

I use the standard diameter Sailworks 460 mast (Lipstick) with the longest Chinook mast base and US pin (that extension would be your cheapest option).
Then you can use the 460 on smaller sails also, less gear and unless you're racing, it does not make much sense to me to have the 490.
A stiffer boom would make a difference than a 490 vs 460 mast (less deformation of the sail from boom flex in the gust).

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Re: beginner board / sail size

Postby qwertyjjj » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:18 pm

Does a Sailworks have to go on a Sailworks mast?
The Sailworks mast is 75% carbon SDM but around 600
or I've seen a Chinook 60 RDM (prob too small for an 8.0 sail) for around 330
or a Neil Pryde 35% SDM (too low carbon) for 350 - big saving...


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