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Postby KC5555 » Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:18 pm

so how big a kite do i need to be able to drag myself around on a snowboard?

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Postby foam-n-fibre » Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:46 pm

You need less kite in the winter than in the summer. Like windsurfing, one size does not fit all winds. If you're going with foils, I was using a 4,7 and 9m F-One in recent years in the winter. Don't start with the big one, get something in the 4 to 6 range if you're looking for a foil. Foils are nice with no pump required, and no messing around without gloves on. You might find one cheap, they're not too popular now.

BUT, after a summer on Best Waroos (yes, I go both ways, kiting and windsurfing) I can't face going back to foils with zero power adjustment this winter. For any LEI, you'd be looking at about an 8 12 and 17 quiver for summer use. I have a 12 and 16, and windsurf when its too windy for that.

For winter, if you want to start with one LEI, try something in the 8 to 12 range. A guy here in Ottawa was looking to get 2 2007 Waroos for all season use. The general consensus was an 11 and 17 would cover him for lots of wind, and that the 11 was the kite to start with in the winter (Waroo sizing has changed for 2007, going in odd numbers from 5 to 17 & 20, it used to go 5,7,9,12,16, 20 in 2006).

Email Hung Vu in Ottawa if you are looking for Best Waroos, or for any used LEI's. He's at hungvu2000-at-rogers-dot-com.

One thing to keep in mind is that if you have skis, they are best for icy conditions and for your first few days. Having two edges really improves balance until you can figure out how to get steady pull from the kite. They also are faster for getting speed up and launching airs in lighter wind. Old straight skis seem to work best for that, but, you can't beat a snowboard day in the powder. Don't forget to take a lesson or at least get some knowledgeable tips from someone in the know, it's definitely more dangerous than windsurfing.

Here in Ottawa, the river still isn't frozen, but hopefully will be tonight along the shore and in bays. I windsurfed yesterday (boxing day) after skiing in the morning, a new personal best, or more like personal worst, since I prefer my river water below zero this time of year!

Even if people think kiting in the summer is not for them, if you have frozen lakes or fields around, you're missing out BIG TIME if you don't at least do this sport in the winter.

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Postby KC5555 » Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:00 pm

Peter,

Thanks for the advice. I am not sure what I am getting myself into but I bought a Cabrinha CO2 20m, an older model but it include lines and a bar. It was a good price and I bit.

As you suggested it may be too big and prob not a reasonable size to start with but I pretty heavy and its an expirement really. So the next light light light wind day, I will give it a go. Maybe no skis to start with.

Could you explain to me the 5th line or something? Is this a line that goes through the center of the bar to depower? Is this common to all kites? Do I need it and can I retrofit it?

haha, this should be fun! :o

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Postby Lewsa » Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:30 pm

Get a lesson! Please! Or at least get a kite buddy to show you how

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Postby KC5555 » Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:36 pm

yes yes and yes. I've seen enough scary video and heard all the horror storys. Anyone in the west end want to help me out and show me the basics?

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Postby foam-n-fibre » Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:53 pm

West end of where?

As for the 5th line, I would strongly recommend you use one with that kite. The 5th line should be set up so that it passes through a hole on the bar (not necessarily the same hole as the chicken loop, I used to have a stainless ring tied tightly to the middle of the bar). Use the 5th line to attached to the safety leash (below the bar). Then when you let the bar go, the kite will come down on its back fairly gently without spinning and tangling.

The bar should be able to slide up the 5th line as high as the difference in height between the wingtips and the top of the kite when it is flying. The 5th line can also be used to turn the kite over for relaunching.

On packed snow, with that kite, if you can so much as feel a breeze, ANY breeze, you will be able to get going on skis, but might (will) need help getting it launched in super light wind. The trick with one that big is that it is tricky to learn in super light wind since its big and slow to turn, so its hard to keep it flying smoothly and have enough wind to always keep it in the air. With enough wind to always keep it up, if you do the wrng thing, your going to KNOW it.

Especially if you are heavy, you will get good use out of that kite. A kite in the 12 to 14 m range might be a nice step down if you can get a good deal, and might be best to start with. Keep in mind you can't see the gusts coming on the snow (unless it is really windy). If you can find a few km of fetch over a frozen lake or BIG field, that big kite wil be much nicer (safer) than in turbulent wind coming off a near shore or trees or buildings.

With a kite that size, be very careful and make sure whoever helps you out is experienced and smart and knows exactly what they are doing.

Peter

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Postby pbkiteboarding.com » Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:31 pm

Get a 5th line for sure... I just made one for someon in Ottawa... Including the Y bridal at kite end... I use a 5th in summer... Ozone foils in Winter.... You can put a 5th on any kite... including SLE and bows...

Get Lessons for sure... Safer and better fun factor... cut the learning curve...

Snow coming soon.... but still on water here...
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Postby pbkiteboarding.com » Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:56 pm

Nice Wing Pict... There was a Kiter at Keswick on one... on Saturday.. on Skis... Must be cool on board... fun to try one day....
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Postby Adrenaline Junkie » Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:33 pm

Thank you I just started riding since we got the snow. That day the wind was perfect it felt like I was windsurfing but on snow. I also noticed I was making fresh tracks wich got me really stoked. It was hard on the legs though but I got good drag. It ruled I'm stoked.

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Postby pbkiteboarding.com » Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:39 pm

Wild... Fun... If anyone is interested... Stop by Keswick on Lake Simcoe. Drive onto the ice at the end of Glenwoods road... Was out today for hours... Looks like Sunday too sw 30k... Kiters... Skis... Board... Windsurfer rigs..... Bunch of wind junkies...

http://maps.google.ca/maps?ie=UTF8&oe=U ... 09484&om=1

or enter this in Google Maps...
44.210311,-79.480162

Say Hi if you see me... Flying the O Ozone Flag and small red one on top... Having a blast on the Ozone Frenzy Kites...

This winter has been great for wind & snow...!
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